mjnew2022-07-18 16:21:30

一个academic研究的课题是,名校录取是否对学生有作用?

2个hypotheses:

1. 名校是起Signal作用,学生本来就好,但名校并不加成,

2. 名校给学生加成?

 

区分这2个hypotheses很难。但academic的大数据研究发现名校对中产白人不加成。最有名的研究是

Revisiting the Value of Elite Colleges - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

A decade ago, two economists — Stacy Dale and Alan Krueger — published a research paper arguing that elite colleges did not seem to give most graduates an earnings boost. As you might expect, the paper received a ton of attention. Ms. Dale and Mr. Krueger have just finished a new version of the study — with vastly more and better data, covering people into their 40s and 50s, as well as looking at a set of more recent college graduates — and the new version comes to the same conclusion.

Ms. Dale — an economist at Mathematica, a research firm — and Mr. Krueger — a Princeton economist and former contributor to this blog — added a new variable in their research. They also controlled for the colleges that students applied to and were accepted by.

他们在回归分析中加入一个变量,学生是否申请了名校这个变量,无论是否录取。

Doing so allowed them to capture much more information about the students than SAT scores and grades do. Someone who applies to Duke, Williams or Yale may be signaling that he or she is more confident and ambitious than someone with similar scores and grades who does not apply. Someone who is accepted by a highly selective school may have other skills that their scores didn’t pick up, but that the admissions officers noticed.

Once the two economists added these new variables, the earnings difference disappeared. In fact, it went away merely by including the colleges that students had applied to — and not taking into account whether they were accepted

A student with a 1,400 SAT score who went to Penn State but applied to U Penn earned as much, on average, as a student with a 1,400 who went to U Penn.

 

当然任何东西要看例外,这里的例外是

It’s important to note, though, that a few major groups did not fit the pattern: black students, Latino students, low-income students and students whose parents did not graduate from college. “For them, attending a more selective school increased earnings significantly,” Mr. Krueger has written. Why? Perhaps they benefit from professional connections they would not otherwise have. Perhaps they acquire habits or skills that middle-class and affluent students have already acquired in high school or at home.

所以名校为啥现在要改录取?

除了legacy外,白人,中高产从名校教育没有得到benefit,但黑人娃,拉美娃,低收入娃,第一代娃有好处,所以这就是为啥现在名校改录取的一个大原因。

当然这里亚裔数据很少,结论不一定适合亚裔。也许亚裔也要benefit. 但亚裔收入已经最高,怎么再提高那?

所以如果亚裔申请但没有进入名校的,如果是高收入阶层,可以comfortably不用担心,按照这个研究,娃的收入和去名校收入会一样。

亚裔如果低收入家庭,第一代大学生,应该多申请名校,说不定就进了。

mjnew2022-07-18 16:22:05
亚裔低收入,第一代大学生应该多申请名校。因为研究发现,名校对这些人有帮助。名校现在想录取一些自己能帮到的学生
windyLL2022-07-18 16:27:56
任何研究结果都是被人利用的工具,现在的大学录取(重黑墨)也算是风口上的猪吧。
mjnew2022-07-18 16:31:11
说虽收入高,但社交封闭,只说中文,没有社会资本,狭隘,娃去名校可以建立社会资本,说不定名校觉得进名校对娃有用,就录取了
mjnew2022-07-18 16:33:06
他们是。但要反驳他们的研究结果,就要提供让人信服的论据,可以说你们没有研究亚裔,说不定亚裔也能从名校获利
avw2022-07-18 16:37:22
实际利益不是推动这个的主要原因。家长内心的不安全感,需要这座奖杯来抚慰。
mjnew2022-07-18 16:39:55
名校录取,要学会卖惨,说成绩好,人家不同情。但说自己穷,没有社会资源,一直被歧视,不被重视,那名校反倒录取
60MPH2022-07-18 16:42:18
不需要奖杯的自信家长就不要爬了呗,机会让给别人
avw2022-07-18 16:45:29
爬的人排一队,不爬的是另一队。不过你这个诉求可以跟学校提下,扩大爬藤类招生,看人家答不答应
randomness2022-07-18 16:45:37
都去读历史了这坛就可以关门了.本来就都是车轱辘话
圆西瓜2022-07-18 16:45:56
上中产亚裔想上藤后能阶级跃层,基本不可能。同理,家长不希望孩子阶级下滑。
60MPH2022-07-18 16:46:49
答应不答应也没你什么事啊
windyLL2022-07-18 16:46:51
其实搞自己的研究不难,但亚裔爱钱,既不学文科又不做学术研究,就没有对自己有利的研究结果了。
mjnew2022-07-18 16:51:55
也许,不过数据也不够多吧。未来数据会越来越多的
avw2022-07-18 16:51:57
油价涨不涨,其实也没啥我的事
mjnew2022-07-18 16:52:56
这是consistent with their research results. 用他们之矛,攻他们之盾
avw2022-07-18 16:53:27
好州大都不让你上了,怎么办?
60MPH2022-07-18 16:55:46
混淆概念,呵呵。
圆西瓜2022-07-18 16:56:41
上不了州一,上
randomness2022-07-18 16:58:18
这俩作者: Dale 是P毕业, Krueger是康毕业。能找到他们的孩子上哪家大学的信息吗?
avw2022-07-18 16:59:10
那不就是老捡别人不要的了吗?
圆西瓜2022-07-18 16:59:42
哈哈,我好几年没来这儿,去年一打开坛子还以为穿越了呢。
两女宝妈2022-07-18 18:04:45
能把别人不要的变成精品,那更有成就感。。。
两女宝妈2022-07-18 18:06:20
看来我还挺自信的,我都没意识到。。。
quantnj2022-07-18 18:14:21
Dale是P的公共政策硕士,Krueger康本科哈佛博士,19年自杀了,不然去年极大概率分享诺贝尔经济学奖
quantnj2022-07-18 18:15:35
人肉他们子女就不必了
randomness2022-07-18 18:23:27
楼主指出这两位研究认为上什么大学不影响将来的成就。那他们自己上什么大学和他们子女上什么大学可以作为相关信息。没毛病?