gossipgirl82022-07-21 23:04:16

众所周知,美国花街是个非常exclusive的圈子。Jane Street如今如日中天,但是其实很多人并不了解公司是怎么起家,内部结构等等等等。这个对于动不动就讲百年传承的地方,应该是个异类。然后我就查了一查,发现了FT的一篇文章。才发现,原来有此疑惑的不止我一个人。

https://www.ft.com/content/81811f27-4a8f-4941-99b3-2762cae76542

节选一部分,给感兴趣的同学们分享:


https://www.ft.com/content/81811f27-4a8f-4941-99b3-2762cae76542

“For an industry that often cultivates cinematic genesis stories, the opacity around Jane Street’s birth, ownership and even management is unusual.  Sometime in early 2000, a trio of traders from Susquehanna — another big market-maker — and former IBM developer Marc Gerstein set up what would become Jane Street, initially trading mainly options and American Depositary Receipts, US-traded stocks of overseas-listed companies, on the old American Stock Exchange, or Amex. Tim Reynolds, Michael Jenkins, Mr Granieri and Mr Gerstein were soon joined by a medley of traders and coders, such as Yaron Minsky, who convinced the firm to adopt OCaml as its sole programming language. Today, Jane Street’s source code is 25m lines long, about half as much as the Large Hadron Collider uses.”

“Jane Street’s unorthodoxy goes well beyond its programming language. Mr Granieri is the only remaining founder still at the company, but there is no chief executive, hierarchy or even a clear management committee. Instead, Jane Street almost resembles an anarchist commune, informally led by a group of 30 or 40 senior executives. A smattering of titles have been reluctantly adopted in recent years, but internally they are little used and people rotate around the firm to keep things fresh. Few leave.”

所以看来,Jane Street的崛起和ETF指数基金的兴起息息相关。不懂这些没有关系,诸位的养老钱都在里头呐。这些年美国金融市场,事实是主动管理基金根本干不过被动指数基金。最印象深刻的就是巴菲特大概十几年前和诸位基金经理的十年赌约 (大概意思吧,具体记不清了懒得查。:))。结果就是对冲基金经理大败而告终。现在买指数基金已经深入人心。咱坛子里钓鱼的同学时不时也会提起。美国人民应该是已经完全被洗脑了。少数不服的文学城大千坛子有一些,经常裤衩都给输没了。。。

但是,大家得记住,ETF是一种衍生产品。衍生产品在美国股市搞出的大事情最近的一起就是2008的次贷危机了。大空头Michael Burry曾经提醒过这种ETF的系统性风险。他基本上好几年也是在推特上被嘲被封了(有些涉及政治,咱就不提了)。记得电影大空头里大概有这么一句话 "I may have been early but I am not wrong."

不晓得为啥,这个Jane Street就让我联想到Long Term Capital Management LTCM - 那一帮诺奖获得者超级天才搞起来的对冲基金。

洋洋洒洒一长篇,大家就当笑话一看。There is nothing new on Wall Street. - 花街本无新鲜事 - 伟大的投机家Livermore利佛摩尔曾经说的。

avw2022-07-21 23:06:48
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两女宝妈2022-07-21 23:15:13
赞好奇心。。。
怀旧一点点2022-07-21 23:37:12
谈论多说明有一批可及的娃
怀旧一点点2022-07-21 23:39:27
说早了其实不一定跟错有啥区别
mjnew2022-07-21 23:45:20
主要是钱给的比大厂多
mjnew2022-07-21 23:49:13
我几个月前提过JS的赚钱方式,ETF market maker, 市场交易量大才赚钱。bid-ask spread赚钱
avw2022-07-21 23:50:45
这里就是40万的发源地?一般不会吧
mjnew2022-07-21 23:51:27
以前floor trader, 现在计算机。CME以前很多floor trader. 所以芝加哥也很多这种公司
xiaolifeidao2022-07-21 23:52:00
木头姐旗下一个ETF跌了30%,要关掉了。另一个跌了50%。看来买ETF和个股风险差不多。
avw2022-07-21 23:55:47
大学刚毕业的,招那么多人,做这种生意,大概率不会发40万
xiaolifeidao2022-07-21 23:58:00
总是说谁谁起薪40万,这里谁自己娃40万,举一下手。
avw2022-07-22 00:07:38
只怕20万都玄
xiaolifeidao2022-07-22 00:11:00
我总在想,一个刚毕业的,凭什么人家要给你40万。
gossipgirl82022-07-22 00:12:19
ETF是个筐,不能啥都往里装啊。木头姐成名于特斯拉。盛极而衰吧。
xiaolifeidao2022-07-22 00:17:00
实际上也就赌在某个sector上,sector好的时候就看上去很聪明。如果说今年她fund的表现,我到动物园领只猴子来,可能都比
avw2022-07-22 00:18:37
想啥想,答案已经告诉你了,T5
加州阳光1232022-07-22 00:18:55
木头姐是谁?
xiaolifeidao2022-07-22 00:24:00
Cathie wood
zeno2022-07-22 00:24:16
有vision的比不过会timing的?
zeno2022-07-22 00:25:55
通货膨胀?
怀旧一点点2022-07-22 00:26:38
发财运气很重要
xiaolifeidao2022-07-22 00:29:00
把5个T5绑一块,差不多值40万: )
xiaolifeidao2022-07-22 00:36:00
我为什么这么说呢?木头姐公司里肯定塞满这些top school 毕业生,但是她fund的表现和去街上随便拉个人没区别。所以这些人
xiaolifeidao2022-07-22 00:37:00
就是用来装点门面的
tibuko2022-07-22 00:41:28
market maker不是根据涨跌赚钱的
ambrose_022022-07-22 00:43:25
ETF的系统性风险会是什么样的呢?
tibuko2022-07-22 00:44:43
就是因为这个40万到100万,搞得好像这个公司最牛似的
mjnew2022-07-22 01:07:32
HRT给更多
怀旧一点点2022-07-22 02:24:06
举手的你没看见都放下了lol
xiaolifeidao2022-07-22 03:30:00
就一个