未完的歌2022-04-26 14:23:36

上一个贴就说石凳逻辑欠缺,今天再次证明这个判断没错 :)

https://bbs.wenxuecity.com/teatime/685600.html

石凳引用了解释老维的文章的一段话,并且理解成“语言论以前的西方哲学不是哲学”。

然后开始说西方线性思维多么多么有局限。言外之意当然开始鼓吹他所有贴的核心话题“中国哲学,中国思维”如何如何了哈哈

 

老维强调人类语言的无力和极限,所以他强调可以说的都可以说清楚;不可说的那就保持沉默。

先说说你引的这一段话。首先你忘了读他上面一句,而这个恰恰是你逻辑出问题的关键。

这个文章作者说是老维想说哲学家(包括他自己)说的那些都是nonsense 。the deepest problems are in fact not problems at all。

但是哲学家的任务是什么呢?“Philosophers, then, have the task of presenting the logic of our language clearly. This will not solve important problems but it will show that some things that we take to be important problems are really not problems at all. The gain is not wisdom but an absence of confusion.

现在你明白你说的

虽然你懂的根本算不了哲学,但人家老维说的也不是你。人家说的是那些语言论以前的西方哲学。

的逻辑缺陷是什么了吧。

他说”nonsense,not problems at all“= 他说语言论以前的西方哲学不是哲学?。

即便这个成立,难道等于说中国哲学就是哲学了?

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文章原话:

Wittgenstein’s aim seems to have been to show up as nonsense the things that philosophers (himself included) are tempted to say.

(你从这里开始引用)Philosophical theories, he suggests, are attempts to answer questions that are not really questions at all (they are nonsense), or to solve problems that are not really problems. He says in proposition 4.003 that:

Most of the propositions and questions of philosophers arise from our failure to understand the logic of our language. (They belong to the same class as the question whether the good is more or less identical than the beautiful.) And it is not surprising that the deepest problems are in fact not problems at all.

Philosophers, then, have the task of presenting the logic of our language clearly. This will not solve important problems but it will show that some things that we take to be important problems are really not problems at all. The gain is not wisdom but an absence of confusion. This is not a rejection of philosophy or logic. Wittgenstein took philosophical puzzlement very seriously indeed, but he thought that it needed dissolving by analysis rather than solving by the production of theories. The Tractatus presents itself as a key for untying a series of knots both profound and highly technical.

stonebench2022-04-26 14:35:38
你编造别人观点的习惯啥时能改啊:)
未完的歌2022-04-26 14:55:46
你自己慢慢体会你自己说的话吧。你中循环思维的毒太深了,最后自己说的啥都搞不清了。。:D
stonebench2022-04-26 16:55:42
俺不过说了西方思维在哲学上的问题,你就急得阅读能力急剧下降:)
未完的歌2022-04-26 17:06:49
你的贴三句不离你的主题,我早已了然,有啥可急。随便挑几句"你的名言", 是不是在说“中国哲学”巨牛,哈哈
stonebench2022-04-26 18:48:43
原来是这样。受刺激可以理解,胡编别人观点就不像话啦:)
未完的歌2022-04-26 18:56:02
石凳又开始顾左右而言他了。
snowandlotus2022-04-26 23:24:34
我看石凳是要顾左右而没脾气了,不会为了言他而言他:)
未完的歌2022-04-27 00:24:36
稀里糊涂的捣糨糊的模棱两可的最怕被不断地追问 LOL
stonebench2022-04-27 01:13:12
俺说的东西,是给维特根坦这类牛角钻得比较深的人听的。以你的阅读理解能力,就不要费劲儿了:)
未完的歌2022-04-27 01:21:18
其实我觉得你没有读过或者说读下来老维的书,所以你就不要充大了。。
stonebench2022-04-27 01:27:09
给你讲个句号的作用也算充大的话,那俺真是不得不充啊:)
未完的歌2022-04-27 01:36:16
唉,该说你什么好呢。你刚说完的话就在不远处,。石凳说:俺说的东西,是给维特根坦这类牛角钻得比较深的人听的。
stonebench2022-04-27 02:18:37
对你只说句号的作用以免你扭曲就够了。更深的确实不是对你说的。充不充大你可以有自己的判断
未完的歌2022-04-27 02:28:53
嘴硬数鸭子的。想起来刚来茶坛玩的时候,有个熟悉你的网友说...
stonebench2022-04-27 02:52:39
你先扭曲俺,再推论俺有错,然后就要俺认错?